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Recently I stumbled across a lot of posts here on DA concerned with drawing the human form, and how to differentiate easily between the male and female form without drawing upon obvious sexual characteristics. It's aaaalll about the skeletal structure.

Basically, as a rule of thumb, the skeleton of a man has wider shoulders than hips, in a "V" shape. The skeleton of a woman has wider hips than shoulders, though not quite as drastically so as the opposite in men. More like an "8" shape. To confuse matters, make them both the same width for an androgynous looking thing. It's simple and it works. As a rule of thumb.

By sticking to this, you can get away without ginormous boobies on your Fe-MOCs, and having... idk, hair or somethin' on a He-MOC.

The post in question is this: Gender Dysphoria by Candy2021 by :iconcandy2021:. I really, really reccomend looking up some of her posts concerning proportions and body types. Even though they're geared towards drawing, they also apply to 3D models and MOC making - perhaps even moreso, as quite often with us there's a real skeleton to build instead of an inferred or imagined one.
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Rahiden Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Huh, interesting. I shall have to keep that in mind.
That said, I'll always prefer building Rahi :P
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
And well you should. :)
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3rdeye88 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is cool. Thanks for sharing. I only have two female MOCs, and even then Isra is the only one that is truly feminine looking. I gave her big hips cause I wanted to accentuate her legs more, but its cool to see that that's actually more the way to go with giving a character a feminine body structure. :)
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
I'd love to see Aqualia redone this way.
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3rdeye88 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hmmm yeah. Aqualia is one of those earlier MOCs of mine that's just kinda there. There's nothing overly special about her I think. I think her and Shui Long could use for an update. Now I just need to get a bajillion HF bone parts to make shui's body. :P
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King-Cyan Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
ohohoho

this is great, i should seriously work on custom waists/shoulders for my femmes/males
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theMOCmaker Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Thanks man!
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AuRonTheChampion Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Student General Artist
Proportions.

Bleh.

While it isn't OK to exaggerate on certain... areas, of the model, one should relaxe a bit more about other things. In the end, the only real way to differentiate MOC gender is shoulder and hip position/length. Arm length isn't as important, and one can easily get away with having the arms reaching to the mid-thigh instead of the upper-thigh.

Nonetheless, glad you posted this. I'm sure it'll help some of the up-and-comers get better.
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Leg length is key too. Women have shorter legs compared to body length than men.
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GreyDogg Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Yay! Great points 'Gat. I know I'm going to be making some better mocs thanks to this, and i'm sure i'm not the only one. Tyvm
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FirstWorldFugitive Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Student General Artist
So glad I'm not the only one who is bothered by this...
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Vorred Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Finally somebody makes this post. There are just so many people out there who don't know of proportions and their importance. Sadly, that led to the typical skinny and big boobed females with heels.

I already care for proportions, but I hope many others will see that and use this advice.
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Gale-OneOfMany Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm, something to think about indeed. Thank you, I had already some idea of this, but I shall be trying to work on it more in the future.
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welcometothedarksyde Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nuva boobs... They should rarely be used because they are too round. I actually was aware of this stuff because my sister is a professional artist. There are a couple of other cues for feminine design that you didn't mention. Such as thinner arms and smaller chest (despite having boobs usually they should still have a small chest). Sadly most fem-MOCs have enormous chests because of their breasts
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
The shoulder width sort of covers the chest size thing, doesn't it? The thinner arms is definitely one too though. All I'm doing is summarising :iconcandy2021:'s posts. It's definitely reccomended to have a look through.

She made a load of male and female body type chart thingies too, which I'm sure I'll end up using more or less directly on a future MOC or two.

Nuva Boobs are alright provided they're angled the right way, and the rest of the Fe-MOC is big enough to fit. Even then though, sometimes it's best not to bother due to all the bad connotations they have
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welcometothedarksyde Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll have to take a look at her stuff, it may be helpful.
I actually have seen Nuva boobs used well but they've been used too much and they're not great as boobs either
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
This is true.
One of the main points I wanted to stress here is that, after you have the shape of the skeleton right, you don't have to add anything fancy there at all. For example, a female toa shouldn't have them - but with the shape of the skeleton properly working, she'll still look female.
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welcometothedarksyde Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
yes, the skeleton should be the focus of the MOC
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Sharsharkan Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
I shall use this advice to better improve my female mocs, thank you.
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Success! :D
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Sharsharkan Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
I just dug her out of a box a few days ago too, once i remembered what i was doing, i still didnt like that her chest was massive compared to her waist :S






BUT NOW I KNOW! :U
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Do send me a link when you're finished! :)
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KuroEtShiro Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
It's like hentai where one breast is bigger than your head. xD
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Lol-Pretzel Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Yeah. No.
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